Thursday, 27 November 2014

Alarmed at falling standards, Bar Council of India notifies rules intended to improve standards of the legal profession

With  the express object of achieving "better and effective administrative and disciplinary control of local Bar Associations, State Bar Councils and the Bar Council of India over advocates entered on the Rolls of advocates being maintained by different State Bar Councils under section 22 of the Advocates Act and further in order to weed out advocates who have left practice", the Bar Council of India, in the exercise of powers conferred on it by section 49(1) (ag), 49 (ah) 49(i) of the Advocates Act, 1961 and by all other enabling and residuary powers vested in it, has notified, in the Gazette, the “Bar Council of India Certificate of Practice and Renewal Rules, 2014” on 29.10.2014. Except for Rule 7 which prescribes the minimum experience required for practice before High Courts and Supreme Court, all the other provisions of the Rules would come into effect from the date of publication of the notification.

The Statement of Objects and Reasons of the Rules refers to concerns expressed in a Joint meeting of the representatives of all State Bar Councils and Bar Council of India that the trend of Advocates switching over to other professions/services/business without any information to the State Bar Council has reached alarming proportions and that this trend is endangering the legal profession as a whole. Referring to this trend, it says, "It has also made a dent in its sanctity and standards. Names of such advocates continue to be included in the “Roll of advocates” being maintained by the State Bar Councils, notwithstanding the fact that they have left the legal profession or have since died. Though under section 19 of the Advocates Act, the State bar Councils are under legal obligation to send a copy of the Roll of advocates prepared by it under section 17 of the Act and subsequent alterations/additions thereto but practically no state bar Council has observed this mandatory provision of the Act up till now". The Bar Council of India has also candidly admitted that the All India Bar Examination introduced to improve the standard of legal profession has also failed to fully achieve its objective. 

Salient Features of the Rules

1. Commencement:

Except for Rule 7 of Chapter III which would come into force on such date as the Bar Council of India notifies in the Gazette of India, all the other provisions of the Rules take effect at once.

2. Certificate of Practice:

Rule 5 lays down that "An advocate shall not be entitled to practice law unless he holds a valid certificate of practice issued either under All India Bar Examination Rules or under these Rules"

3.  Registration in local Bar Association:
 
The Rules require an advocate, after having obtained a Certificate of Enrollment to get himself registered as a member of the Bar Association where he ordinarily practices law or intends to practice law. In case an advocate leaves one Bar Association and joins another by reason of change of place of practice or by reason of change of field of law, he/she shall have to intimate such change with all the relevant particulars to the State Bar Council, of which he is a member. The Rules also mandate that such fact of leaving as well as of joining should be independently intimated to the said Bar Council  within a period of one month. The Rules also lay down criteria for recognition of Bar Associations. 

4.  Minimum experience required for practice in High Courts and Supreme Court

For the purposes of Rule 7 and prescribing the minimum experience required to pratice in Courts of law, the Bar Council has classified the Courts of law into three tiers: District & Sessions Courts and courts subordinate to it, High Courts and Supreme Court. 
 
Rule 7 (not notified yet) by the Bar Council of India lays down that an advocate enrolled after the commencement of the Rules and after having obtained certificate/renewal of practice can  practice law only before such Courts of Law as are equivalent to Sessions Judge or District Judge and such other Courts in specific field/s of law that are exercising original jurisdiction in the matters covered by such fields of law and all other Courts which are subordinate to them.  

Only after completing two years of practice in such Courts/Tribunals equivalent to District/Sessions Court or Courts subordinate to them or Courts exercising original jurisdiction, can an advocate enrolled after the commencement of the Rules and after having obtained certificate/renewal of practice, "be entitled to practice law before a High Court and such other Courts in specific fields of law that are exercising appellate or revisional jurisdiction in the matters covered by such fields of law and all other Courts which are subordinate to them." Therefore, should Rule 7 be notified by the Bar Council of India, 2 years of experience in trial Courts/Tribunals would be a mandatory prerequisite for being eligible to practice in High Courts.  

Further more, the Rules lay down that an advocate enrolled on the roll of advocates after the enforcement of the Rules would be entitled to practice before the Supreme Court only after gaining 3 years of experience in the High Court. 

5. Application for grant of “Certificate of Practice" 

Rule 8 lays down the conditions to be fulfilled for grant of a Certificate of Practice. An advocate who has obtained graduate degree in law before the academic year 2010 enrolled on the “Roll of Advocates”, is required by the Rules to apply for issuance of “Certificate of Practice” from the State Bar Council in which he/she is enrolled as an advocate under this rule within a period of 6 months of the enforcement of these Rules/date of enrolment. An advocate who graduated in the academic year 2009-2010 and thereafter enrolled on the "Roll of Advocates" on or after 12th June, 2010 is required by the Rules to apply for issuance of Certificate of Practice under the All India Bar Examination Rules, 2010 from the respective State Bar Council in which he/she is enrolled. 

6. Validity of Certificate of Practice

Rule 9 lays down that Certificate of Practice issued under the Rules, and the renewal thereof, shall be valid only for a period of 5 years., and is therefore, liable to be renewed every 5 years by filing an application for renewal in advance within a period of 6 months before the validity period expires. Applications for grant/ renewal of “Certificate of Practice” of Advocates,would be scrutinised  by the Office of the Bar Council and placed along with personal file of applicant before the Administrative Committee for passing appropriate order, either allowing or dismissing the application. Such an application would be dismissed by the Committee if the applicant has left practice and it is found that he/she has no bona fide intent and interest in continuing in future also. Such an applicant would be treated as a non-practicing advocate under the Rules. Adverse orders would however not be passed without affording an opportunity of being heard to the applicant concerned.

7.  Consequence of failure to make application for grant of Certificate of practice/renewal

The Rules lay down that were an advocate fail to make an application for grant of Certificate of practice/renewal within the period prescribed, it would be presumed that such an advocate has left law practice and has no bona fide intent and interest in continuing in future also. The Office of the State Bar Council has been charged under these Rules with the obligation of preparing a list of such defaulting advocates who have failed to make an application for grant of Certificate of practice/renewal within the period prescribed, and to intimate such advocates of the fact of their inclusion in such a list. Applications for grant of Certificate of Practice/renewal received from such advocates whose names have been included in the 'List of defaulting Advocates' would have to be accompanied by late fee and thereafter processed.

8. Consequence of failure to respond to intimation issued by State Bar Council 

Failure to respond to the intimation sent by the State Bar Council of the inclusion in the 'List of defaulting Advocates', can entail the name of the advocate concerned to be included in the 'list of Non-Practicing Advocates'.  Non-practicing advocates are barred under the Rules from practicing law before any Court of law/Tribunal. 

9. Appeal and Revision
The Rules provide for the constitution of an Appellate Tribunal for each State Bar Council comprising three members headed by the member of the Bar Council of India from the State Bar Council concerned,  for consideration and disposal of appeals under the Rules. The Bar Council of India has been vested with revisional powers under the Rules.

The Rules notified by the Bar Council of India has evoked a  mixed response from members of the legal fraternity, and at least one writ petition challenging Rule 7 laying down minimum experience needed for practice in High Court and Supreme Court has already been filed (in the Madras High Court).
 
 

Attorney General advises Tax Department not to prefer an appeal from the verdict of Bombay High Court in Vodafone tax case

The Attorney General of India, Mukul Rohatgi has advised the Income Tax Department against preferring an appeal from the judgment of the Bombay High Court wherein it had ruled in favour of Vodafone Group Plc in the transfer pricing case relating to (alleged) undervaluation of share capital issued by Vodafone India Services Private Limited (Vodafone India) to its Mauritius parent. 

On August 21, 2008, Vodafone India had issued 2,89,224 equity shares of Rs 10 each at a premium of Rs 8,500 per share. However, the Income Tax Department revalued the shares at Rs 53,775 per share claiming that the company had underpriced its shares which led to an income of Rs. 45,000/- (roughly) apiece. It held that the differential in share price ought to be treated as Vodafone India's taxable income through an international transaction. Based on arm's length pricing adjustment (treating the transaction as if it was with an unrelated company) , the tax department held a total shortfall of Rs 1,308.91 crore to be a deemed loan given by Vodafone India to its holding company. Periodical interest income was also held chargeable to tax in the hands of Vodafone India. The Income Tax Department thus accused Vodafone India Services Private Ltd, a unit of the British group, of under-pricing shares in a rights issue to its parent company and demanded tax of about 3,200 crore rupees ($486 million) for two financial years leading up to March 2011.

Challenging the demand, the company had approached the Bombay High Court. However, the Bombay High Court had held in its judgment on October 10, 2014 that issue of shares does not give rise to any income and there can be no question of any transfer pricing adjustment. Transfer pricing is the value at which companies trade products, services or assets among units in different countries, a regular part of business for a multinational company. Rules require all cross-border transactions among group companies to be valued at ‘arm’s length’, or as if the transaction was with an unrelated company. A Bench comprising Chief Justice Mohit Shah and Justice M S Sanklecha had ruled thus: "Issue of shares at a premium by the petitioner to its non-resident holding company does not give rise to any income from an admitted international transaction." 

The verdict of the Bombay High Court was interpreted by experts as a shot in the arm of several other companies such as Nokia, IBM, Shell India, Cairn India and Leighton India contractors among others who are all enmeshed in a similar legal dispute with the Income Tax Department. 

The Income Tax Department was awaiting the advice of the Central Board of Direct Taxes (CBDT) and the Attorney General before taking a decision on preferring an appeal to the Supreme Court of India against the adverse ruling of the Bombay High Court. In thus giving his opinion, the Attorney General has concurred with the opinion of the Chairman of the CBDT against preferring an appeal from the Bombay High Court ruling.


not appeal a Bombay high court judgement which ruled last month in favour of the Indian unit of Vodafone Group Plc. in a Rs.3,200 crore tax dispute—

Read more at: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/5L6D8zMuWCl5op4W95U23H/AG-tells-govt-not-to-appeal-Vodafone-tax-dispute-ruling.html?utm_source=copy
not appeal a Bombay high court judgement which ruled last month in favour of the Indian unit of Vodafone Group Plc. in a Rs.3,200 crore tax dispute

Read more at: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/5L6D8zMuWCl5op4W95U23H/AG-tells-govt-not-to-appeal-Vodafone-tax-dispute-ruling.html?utm_source=copy
not appeal a Bombay high court judgement which ruled last month in favour of the Indian unit of Vodafone Group Plc. in a Rs.3,200 crore tax dispute

Read more at: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/5L6D8zMuWCl5op4W95U23H/AG-tells-govt-not-to-appeal-Vodafone-tax-dispute-ruling.html?utm_source=copy

Tuesday, 25 November 2014

Parliament Updates: Legislative business of Parliament in the Winter Session

15 legislative Bills currently pending in Parliament are listed for consideration and passing in the ongoing winter session of Parliament.  17 Bills are listed for introduction, consideration and passing of which three will be taken up for consideration and passing during the session. 5 Bills have been listed for withdrawal in this session. 

  • Bills listed for introduction: 
The Appropriation Acts (Repeal) Bill, 2014\
The Assisted Reproductive Technology (Regulation) Bill, 2014
The Biomedical and Health Research Regulation Bill, 2014
The Constitution (115th Amendment) Bill, 2014
The Lokpal and Lokayuktas (Amendment) Bill, 2014
The National Cooperative Development Corporation Amendment Bill, 2014 
The Payment and Settlement Systems (Amendment) Bill, 2014
The Public Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised Occupants) Amendment Bill, 2014 
The Re-adjustment of Representation of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in Parliamentary and Assembly Constituencies (Fourth) Bill, 2014
The Recognition of New Systems of Medicine Bill, 2014
The Regional Rural Banks (Amendment) Bill, 2014  
The Repealing and Amending (Second) Bill, 2014 
The School of Planning and Architecture Bill, 2014 
The Warehousing Corporation (Amendment) Bill, 2014 
 
  • Bills listed for Introduction, Consideration and Passing:
The Coal Mines (Special Provisions) Bill, 2014 
The Textile Undertakings (Nationalisation) Laws (Amendment and Validation) Bill, 2014 
The Delhi Special Police Establishment (Amendment) Bill, 2014 

  •  Bills listed for Consideration and Passing :
The Indian Institutes of Information Technology Bill, 2014
The Central Universities (Amendment) Bill, 2014 
The Apprentices (Amendment) Bill, 2014
The Labour Laws (Exemption from Furnishing Returns and Maintaining Registers by Certain Establishments) Amendment Bill, 2011 
The Insurance Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2008
The Repealing and Amending Bill, 2014 
The Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Orders (Amendment) Bill, 2014
The Anti-Hijacking (Amendment) Bill, 2010
The Tamil Nadu Legislative Council (Repeal) Bill, 2012
The Rajasthan Legislative Council Bill, 2013
The Assam Legislative Council Bill, 2013
The Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Bill, 2013
The Merchant Shipping (Second Amendment) Bill, 2013
The Delhi Hotels (Controlling of Accommodation) (Repeal) Bill, 2014
The Real Estate (Regulation and Development) Bill, 2013 
 
  • Bills listed for withdrawal:
The Higher Education and Research Bill, 2011   
The Homoeopathy Central Council (Amendment) Bill, 2005 
The Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy Pharmacy Bill, 2005   
The Indian Medicine Central Council (Amendment) Bill, 2005 
The Re-adjustment of Representation of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in Parliamentary and Assembly Constituencies (Third) Bill, 2013

( Courtesy : PRS Legislative Research

IN CONVERSATION WITH ADV: MANU SEBASTIAN, CONVENOR, 'DHWANI' DEBATING SOCIETY



INTERVIEW/Editor-in-Chief, Kerala Law Review in conversation with Adv: Manu Sebastian, Convenor, 'Dhwani'


Adv: Manu Sebastian, Convenor, 'Dhwani'
 Manu Sebastian, a young advocate practising in the High Court of Kerala, comes across as a go-getter, -a man with a vision and a mission. As you size up the man during the course of your conversation with him, you sense that behind his jovial exterior, lies a steely, determined and ambitious mind. Manu Sebastian is the Convenor of ‘DHWANI’, a group formed by junior lawyers of the Kerala High Court under his leadership to debate socio-legal and political issues of contemporary relevance. Quiz him about Dhwani, and he has this to say: 
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"It.. gives a platform which encourages a person to rise above his inhibitions and insecurities and to express his ideas freely. If you’re aspiring to be a person with vibrancy in thoughts and dynamism in action, then this is the ideal group to be in."
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‘DHWANI’ which was formed only last month, has already managed to create waves among the legal fraternity here, as evidenced by an ever growing number of members and participants at its debates which are held every Friday evening at the Theosophical Society, Ernakulam. The subject of each Friday’s debate is informed to members of the group in advance so that they can come prepared and make an effective contribution in the deliberations of the group. The facebook page of ‘DHWANI’ explains its objective thus : 

Dhwani’s objective would be to encourage uninhibited discourse on issues with the intention of eliciting truth and dissemination of the same. Dhwani would strive to air the voice of Truth and to dispel the commotion of misinformation, without the baggage of any ideology. It would act as a platform for ‘unlike’ minded people, who have a passion for knowledge and reason, to share their views and opinions. In ‘Dhwani’, such divergent opinions and dispositions would be synthesized and Truth would be refined out of crude facts. Thus, ‘Dhwani’ would act as a distillery of Truth; and a repository of knowledge. Whether truth could be so easily synthesized and refined is another problem. Nonetheless, there will be an attempt. But there would not be any fundamental claim on such truth and it would be subject to further synthesis, as all sorts of fundamentalism is an anathema to 'Dhwani'. The dialectical method developed in Ancient Greece by Socrates, and also in our civilization through ‘Tarka Shastra’, will act as a guide for our investigation of truth.

Earlier this week, the editor-in-chief of Kerala Law Review had an e-mail conversation with Shri. Manu Sebastian to better understand the objectives of ‘DHWANI’, the nature of its deliberations and the kind of impact it hopes to make. Here is the full text of the transcript of the interview:

KLR: How did the idea of forming 'Dhwani' originate? How were the seeds of ‘Dhwani’ planted in your mind?
Manu Sebastian: I must confess the idea for forming the said group for facilitating discussions and dissemination of information came to my mind during last Gandhi Jayanthi, while I was reading some articles on the life of Gandhiji.  Though I have some reservations about Gandhian thoughts and way of life, in Gandhi I could find a determined person who was good at organizing movements for public causes.  He was a man of action with doggedness and taking inspiration from him I too felt that I should do something more creative involving people, rather than confining myself to the profession. While so, the idea of a ‘debating society’ introduced to me by my friend Adarsh three years back came to my mind. Though we used to have discussions on the idea, nothing concrete was done to further it. I felt like reviving that idea and to act for realizing it. Immediately I called up my friends Adarsh and Legit and they also felt encouraged. Thus the idea became a reality. If I am permitted to give an analogy, the idea was akin to a piece of ember covered under ashes, and I just blew off the ashes to reignite the flames. Only the initial push was given, and the events took their own course to their logical end, courtesy the wholehearted support rendered by Adarsh and Legit. It was due to the efforts of Adarsh that we could find a place for our meetings in Theosophical Society. Legit has been a source of strong moral support and his never dying optimism has been a great help during moments of self-doubt. 

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"taking inspiration from him (Gandhi-ji) I too felt that I should do something more creative involving people, rather than confining myself to the profession."
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KLR: Is Dhwani a closed club of lawyers, or is it open for all? 
Manu Sebastian: Not at all.  It’s just that the founding members are lawyers and it’s just a coincidence.  It’s open to all sections.

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"It was due to the efforts of Adarsh that we could find a place for our meetings in Theosophical Society. Legit has been a source of strong moral support and his never dying optimism has been a great help during moments of self-doubt."
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KLR: What would you say, is the USP of Dhwani? 
Manu Sebastian: I’m afraid USP would be wrong term to use in connection with our group. And we do not claim to be having any exclusive speciality as well. It’s a forum for encouraging free thinking and uninhibited expression of ideas, where people from different walks of life having diverse ideologies and philosophies assemble. It will open one’s mind to other perspectives on reality and thereby would enrich a person. It also gives a platform which encourages a person to rise above his inhibitions and insecurities and to express his ideas freely. If you’re aspiring to be a person with vibrancy in thoughts and dynamism in action, then this is the ideal group to be in. In our generation, there are many who feel very dissatisfied with the system and live with a strong sense of cynicism about everything and feel that nothing could be changed. Then there are some who are not at all concerned about what is going around and are happy with the comforts of their life.There are also some who maintain extreme views and fundamental positions. Such cynicism, apolitical attitude and fundamentalism are all unhealthy trends. Our intention is to eradicate such negative inclinations in youth and thereby to enable persons to be spirited agents of change. 

KLR: Why this preference for the 'dialectical method of discourse' adopted by Socrates? How does it help in arriving at the truth?
Manu Sebastian:
‘Dialectical method of discourse’ developed by Ancient Greek philosophers has withstood the test of time. It is a process wherein the validity of a hypothesis is tested by subjecting it to harsh attack from opposing views. Thus the hypothesis is distilled and purified with the antithesis to form a synthesis, which is lucid with logic. Even our adversarial system of judiciary is inspired from this thought process. It’s very simple- you test the strength of an argument in the touchstone of the counter-argument. It does not rely on rhetoric, or appeals to emotion and sentiments and is strictly logical in its investigation of truth.

KLR:  The facebook page of ‘Dhwani’ refers to the classic story of the blind men and the elephant to canvas for the proposition that there could be various versions of truth which we remain oblivious of because of the limitations of our senses etc. How tenable is the use of that analogy? Isn't that analogy strictly applicable only to the case of subjective experiences? How do you explain its applicability to say, socio-legal or political matters which are what find a place on the agenda of ‘Dhwani’? 
Manu Sebastian: The simple fable of ‘blind men and the elephant’ conveys a very deep thought and it is very apt to describe our founding philosophy. An exact version of truth is possible only in matters pertaining to science. In matters pertaining to socio-political issues, such certainty of truth is not possible. All of us have our own opinions, which emanate from our mindsets formed by our subjective experiences. For example, on an issue like reservation, a person from a disadvantaged group and a person from privileged class would be having differing opinions. And its not possible to brush aside either of the view points as totally baseless. There is an element of truth in both the versions. So our perspectives regarding socio-political issues are always incomplete and it becomes more cogent upon knowing the other-side. The endeavour is to rid ourselves of the tendency to cling obstinately to our views and to enable us to be alive to other possibilities. There is no unidimensional version of truth. While in scientific investigation the objective is to arrive at the most accurate truth by excluding all other possibilities, in socio-political issues the objective should be to arrive at the most appropriate truth by balancing all other possibilities. We intend to do that balancing act after weighing all contrasting opinions. 

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"Our perspectives regarding socio-political issues are always incomplete and it becomes more cogent upon knowing the other-side. The endeavour is to rid ourselves of the tendency to cling obstinately to our views and to enable us to be alive to other possibilities."
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KLR: Isn't it plausible that the participants of Dhwani may discuss topics and events of which they themselves have little direct knowledge of by virtue of their being non-participants or non-actors in such developments, and only hearsay awareness or knowledge, or speak on borrowed ideas. How then, would be your quest for deriving the truth be achieved in such an event in view of the imperfections of the participants to aid in the quest for truth? 
Manu Sebastian: Well, I don’t totally deny that. But our human mind is capable of discerning information and processing it for the purposes of arriving at a conclusion and one needn’t have a direct participation in the events for that. For example, to take a position on the rights of LGBT, one needn’t essentially belong to that category. Or to form an opinion on Palestine-Israel conflict, on needn’t hail from those regions. Last week we had a discussion on Nehruvian legacy, and none of us, obviously, are the contemporaries of Nehru; still we could have a fruitful discussion which was rich with information and suffused with diverse views. Yes, I don’t deny that there could be imperfections. But that needn’t preclude us from probing the issue. To arrive at the best possible conclusion within the constraints of available means and materials- that’s the endeavour. 

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"Yes, I don’t deny that there could be imperfections. But that needn’t preclude us from probing the issue. To arrive at the best possible conclusion within the constraints of available means and materials- that’s the endeavour. "
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KLR: Even the Evidence Act followed in Courts in India for well over a century now speaks only of probabilities of proof, and not about derivation of truth. That probably shows how difficult and vexing an endeavour, derivation of truth is. When even Courts therefore concern themselves with only  judging which of the litigants before it has been able to discharge the burden of proof to its satisfaction, isn't your quest for derivation of truth a little too idealistic, far-fetched and impractical? 
Manu Sebastian: As stated earlier, our quest for truth is not a forensic or empirical method and it’s a process of balancing act to reach an appropriate position with respect to an issue. The Greek philosopher Plato has propounded a concept of golden mean, which represents the ideal position one has to adopt with respect to an issue after accounting for all perspectives. Our derivation of truth approximates the said concept of golden mean. We are not making any claims for deriving the absolute truth. Our philosophy also rejects the notion of singularity of truth. So the derivation of truth, as explained above, is totally practical and achievable. Yes, a quest for absolute truth can be really vexing and it is capable of being undertaken by high quality minds, like that of Jesus, Buddha, Sankaracharya etc. We are not functioning in such higher planes for the moment. We are more concerned with temporal matters, to which all of us can relate to. Idealistic, it is; but idealism does not deter us. On the contrary, it inspires it. We all should aspire for ideals, shouldn’t we? 

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"We are not making any claims for deriving the absolute truth. Our philosophy also rejects the notion of singularity of truth."
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KLR: How would you cope with increasing participation in Dhwani's experiments with truth? Given the obvious constraints of time which you face, and the need for letting every speaker share his/her views and juxtaposing it with the need to derive the truth, as you put it, wouldn't it become too unwieldy and difficult to handle? 
Manu Sebastian: Increasing participation is not at all a matter of concern and that is something we really welcome. We are functioning in a disciplined manner, quite conscious of the constraints, and so far it has not been difficult. But there is an area of imperfection which comes in our process, which is the interplay of the emotions. The dialectical method as explained above, is a very stoic and logical method, and to practise that one needs great discipline of mind. So often one tends to get impassioned about his views and that clouds logic. There is also an individual bias in favour of a proposition advanced by one, emanating from one’s egoistic attachment to the same, and it often precludes one from letting go of  the position and accepting a contrary version. When one cannot rely much on reason and logic to substantiate the contention, recourse is made to appeals to emotion, by employment of rhetoric and sophistry. That is a method of winning an argument; but not for derivation of truth. So the presence of such subjective and emotional elements does vitiate our process often. But that’s an issue which could be worked out gradually. 

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"When one cannot rely much on reason and logic to substantiate the contention, recourse is made to appeals to emotion, by employment of rhetoric and sophistry. That is a method of winning an argument; but not for derivation of truth. So the presence of such subjective and emotional elements does vitiate our process often. "
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KLR: Let's now come to the second part of the interview, Manu. How do you envisage Dhwani, say 5 years down the line. What kind of impact do you think Dhwani would be able to make in society? What is the impact you would like to see Dhwani make in society? 
Manu Sebastian: We would want to see our group emerging as a collective of intelligent and free thinking persons, who would be able to enlighten the people about the issues which affect their lives and thereby to help them to deal with the same in an effective manner. Instead of getting carried away by the glib talk of politicians and the misinformation dished out by popular media, we will embolden the people to respond to issues in a rational manner after arriving at an appropriate decision with respect to the matter. We would want to spread the idea of dialectical method and inculcate the habit of questioning and probing in the minds of people, so that they would absorb information only with a pinch of salt. Making the public more discerning- that would be our impact. And discernment only comes through practise and our sessions would enable a person to be so. Our idea is to form a society which doesn’t react in a knee-jerk fashion; but only after studying and analysing the matter. Let people have a bit of scepticism about everything; but not cynicism. Let people not get swayed away by high voltage media campaigns and the cult imagery of demagogic politicians. Thereby we will have a healthy and powerful democracy. 

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"Instead of getting carried away by the glib talk of politicians and the misinformation dished out by popular media, we will embolden the people to respond to issues in a rational manner after arriving at an appropriate decision with respect to the matter."
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KLR: Please share with us your future plans for the expansion of ‘Dhwani’. Manu Sebastian: As of now our activities are confined to having weekly discussions on topics of social relevance. We are planning to take measures to disseminate the information and perspectives gathered in our sessions to wider public. We have a facebook page which contains information regarding our activites. But we would like to have a wider reach across the society, and we intend to float a magazine, preferably in vernacular medium, so as to spread our ideas to all sections of society. We are also attempting to solicit the presence of distinguished individuals in different fields so as to have a well-informed discussion on topics touching upon their respective fields.
We are also desirous of collaborating with educational institutions, so that we can have the participation of students as well in our group. Since there are lawyers in our group, we plan to have legal awareness campaigns in schools, which would enable the school children to have awareness of our constitution and legal system from a young age and we believe that would help in bringing up citizens with better civic sense and increased awareness of rights and duties. Now our activities are centred in Cochin and we are seeking to expand to other parts as well gradually. 

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"We are also attempting to solicit the presence of distinguished individuals in different fields so as to have a well-informed discussion on topics touching upon their respective fields. "
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KLR: Thank You, Manu for spending time with us and enlightening our readers about your debating group, ‘Dhwani’. We wish you and your friends all success. 

[Editor's Note: Readers are welcome to ask any further questions to Adv: Manu Sebastian about his group 'Dhwani' by posting their queries as comments hereunder in the 'Comments' section. KLR will endeavour to get the answers to the queries posed by readers from Manu himself, and publish the same as a supplement to this interview.]